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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:56 pm

    I'm currently building Germanie's first military submarine, the S.M. U-1 from 1906.

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    The model is based on the only existing overall plan.

    Germany's first military submarine, the S.M. U-1 Plans_U1

    I didgitized it, scaled it, and based on the drwaings I created a 3D CAD model, which is the basis for my model:

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:16 pm

    Based on the CAD drawing I got begative moulds milled out of hard foam. These negatives I used to build a positive out of glas fiber composites.

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    After the cutring of the resin, I basically cut and grinded the foam of the positive. Here the lower hull:

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:21 pm

    Same procedure for the upper hull:

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    And the result - the still relatively crude positive model:

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    The mould for the conning-tower I did before based on a positive model I got fabricated via rapid prototyping.

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:28 pm

    Very nice indeed, sir...
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:40 pm

    Thanks!

    After I got the raw positive, lots of grinding, sanding, filling, and finally painting and polishing got me here:

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    Then came the nasty part - building the moulds:

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    70 kgs of them actually...
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:43 pm

    Three months of work, but they turned out really good:

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    Post  tattooed Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:01 pm

    what a fantastic skill you have keep up the great work
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    Post  profesorul Wed Mar 20, 2013 7:20 pm

    That's "REALLY OW SOME" like he Americans sad.

    Is Really Great what You have don.So Much effort but is worth it.
    Please keep as on post with your work.

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    P.S. How many Kilograms of Silicone Rubber did You used?!...60-75KG!!!.
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:23 pm

    The moulds for the hull weigh about 70 kg. They are made out of resin and glass fiber.
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    Post  profesorul Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:27 pm

    SEE I have a GOOD eye!.
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:32 pm

    After the moulds were done, I made the first glass fiber parts for the actual boat. The conning tower:

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    The upper hull with conning-tower:

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    and the raw assembly:

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:39 pm

    At that stage I also had the interior design ready:

    Germany's first military submarine, the S.M. U-1 Finaldesign

    It's loosely based on the Engel VIIc interior design and works with 2 x 750 ml piston tanks, brushless motors and LiFePo batteries.
    The technical components are mounted into a frame made out of 5 mm milled thick glass fiber plates and M5 thread rods:

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    The whole assembly will be housed in glass fiber tubes sealed with bayonet coupling:

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:45 pm

    I've also started to work on the details. Many of the small parts are 3D-pinted and are used to then I cast silicone moulds.

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    With those parts I started the detail work - e.g. the front hatch with a small periscope:

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    The assembly for the back snorkel:
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    And the details on the conning tower:
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:47 pm

    Currently I'm working on the moulds for the rudders. They are based on models made of soldered brass:

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:00 pm

    That's where I'm at today:

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    Post  david f Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:42 am

    That is lovely work.

    How did you get the original hard foam milling done? Did it cost much?

    Congratulations on the build.

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:03 am

    A friend of mine has a company that produces carbon and glass fiber products, and he has a 3D mill. I got the milling as a return for a favor. But I think it would have been comparatively cheap, as the hard foam allows high feed rates and thus costs little machine time, the foam is cheap and you have no wear on the milling tools. I had the CAD data ready for a CAM programm, so programming was also not a big issue. Milling in resin e.g. would have been very, very costly. I know, because that was the firts idea, but quotes I got were all in the 3500 Euro range. Not attractive at all.....
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    Post  david f Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:39 pm

    It is very interesting to see how this technology works out. A pity it is still expensive.

    Would the Euro 3500 option have avoided the need for the first positive mould perhaps?

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:29 pm

    Most probably yes. You can directly mill negtive moulds in resin blocks, but they are not as durable as conventional moulds that have a very hard surface due to special mould resisns.
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    Post  acrowot (Geof) Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:13 am

    the moulds look great you must have a lot of patient,s
    i will admit i dont know much about moulding things i will need to have a lesson on how to do hydroplanes and rudders if i build the deans marines HMS Resolution
    im watching with great interest

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:51 am

    I do n ot have too much time to do the build, so patiece comes easy.....

    It's the first sub I build on my own, so I'm also learning allot.

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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:59 pm

    Took three tries to get the ruder and the hydroplanes right. New moulds are often a bit tricky. But now I'm quite pleased with the results. Brass shafts and glass fiber / carbon fiber blades. Rock solid.....

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    Post  david f Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:35 am

    Lovely stuff!
    Thank you.

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    Post  acrowot (Geof) Wed Apr 10, 2013 6:41 pm

    I wish i could biuld that well looks great keep up the good work
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    Post  Dr.Schmidt Wed May 08, 2013 9:51 am

    O.K., slow progress, but progress.....

    The front servo will be located in a smaller tube attached to front of the main pressure tube. To be able to install and remove it, I have located it on a mount, that can be pushed over two thread rods and that will be secured by two M5 nuts.

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    The brushless motors have watertight feedthroughs that just get mounted in the motor flange and that are secured by a M18 nut. The feedthroughs are custom made.

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    And the pre-assembly of the tower is finished, too.

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