The Association of Model Submariners.

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

* THE FORUM FOR ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN BUILDING AND OPERATING MODEL SUBMARINES *



Join the AMS - Registered Forum users can become members of the AMS and it's free ...... To join send an email with your name , address and phone number to amstreasure@googlemail.com


For a guide to past events see the "Shows and Events" section.
Bournville MBC on Sunday 11th August 2024, 10.00 i
::::

Papplewick Pumping Station Sub Weekend, 14th & !5th Sept 2024

P~~~

$$$

Who is online?

In total there are 19 users online :: 1 Registered, 0 Hidden and 18 Guests

geofrancis


Most users ever online was 180 on Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:03 am

Latest topics

» UHF radio control for submarines (openLRS, LoRa, FSK etc. on 458Mhz and 433Mhz )
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptyToday at 9:05 am by david f

» David Forrest's R class
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptyFri Jul 19, 2024 1:00 pm by david f

» Futaba -868/915mhz equipment
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptySun Jun 09, 2024 10:47 pm by tsenecal

» Darnell type 21 submarine, need some help
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptySun Jun 09, 2024 9:35 am by Deep Diver (Fred)

» Robbe Seawolf V2
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptySat Jun 01, 2024 1:15 am by geofrancis

» bladder bags
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptyTue May 28, 2024 8:30 am by Deep Diver (Fred)

» WW2 mini sub build
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptyWed May 22, 2024 8:10 am by david f

» Peral Submarine of 1888
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptyMon May 20, 2024 1:00 pm by david f

» U-Boat R/C?
type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 EmptySun May 19, 2024 11:02 am by stig58

Statistics

Our users have posted a total of 12477 messages in 1986 subjects

We have 1017 registered users

The newest registered user is Bazdiving

+5
merriman
david f
Tom(ADMIN)
nigele(ADMIN)2
willte
9 posters

    type ix c [u505 late]

    avatar
    willte
    Guest


    Posts : 119
    Join date : 2013-12-15
    Age : 72
    Location : lossiemouth morayshire

    type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 Empty Re: type ix c [u505 late]

    Post  willte Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:44 pm

    ojays wrote:Watching this closely, are there any updates please!

    Gregg


    wee bit of a disaster when trying the water tight compartment in the bath it dived when I filled the water bag but I notice air coming from one of the control rod outlet so took it out and fixed it tried it again the pressure built up inside when I filled the bag with water and blow the end cap off I decided to fix it with screws through the side between the two o rings and still blown off need to find a way to reduce the pressure in side the tube thinking of fitting a valve to relieve some of the pressure be trying again after new year that's if it floats with a bit of vacuum ? or long bolts throuhg the tube
    avatar
    ojays
    Guest


    Posts : 5
    Join date : 2014-10-07

    type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 Empty Re: type ix c [u505 late]

    Post  ojays Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:35 pm

    willte wrote:
    ojays wrote:Watching this closely, are there any updates please!

    Gregg
       

    wee bit of a disaster when trying the water tight compartment in the bath it dived when I filled the water bag but I notice air  coming from one of the control rod outlet so took it out and fixed it tried it again the pressure built up inside when I filled the bag with water and blow the end cap off I decided to fix it with screws through the side between the two o rings and still blown off need to find a way to reduce the pressure in side the tube thinking of fitting a valve  to relieve  some of the pressure be trying again after new year that's if it floats with a bit of vacuum ? or long bolts throuhg the tube

    I'm still a beginner at this, however I have seen a number of WTC's with threaded rod, running from one end of the cylinder to the other.
    Just an idea.
    Gregg
    david f
    david f
    AMS Treasurer


    Posts : 2407
    Join date : 2010-11-10
    Age : 73
    Location : Cumbria

    type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 Empty Re: type ix c [u505 late]

    Post  david f Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:11 pm

    Welcome back Willte!

    Raising the WTC pressure is always going to be a problem where something expands into the WTC space (Bags, piston tanks etc) Pressure tanks don't have this problem.

    All you can do in practice, is allow sufficent volume in the WTC and give it enough strength to cope with the pressure rise or limit the size of the bag.

    Putting vent valves in?
    - More holes to leak
    - More complexity
    - You end up with a partial vacuum in the WTC

    Why is design always a compromise?

    David
    avatar
    willte
    Guest


    Posts : 119
    Join date : 2013-12-15
    Age : 72
    Location : lossiemouth morayshire

    type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 Empty Re: type ix c [u505 late]

    Post  willte Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:01 pm

    cheers DAVID
                       the trouble is space the bag may be  a big but it nearly full to go right under trying to work it out but to me this is part of the fun[enjoyment]but if it worked first time you will get board and try some thing else it may sound daft but that's me


    saying in a shipyard I worked in was ---if its done  wrong the first time do the same again a second time to prove the first time was wrong
    david f
    david f
    AMS Treasurer


    Posts : 2407
    Join date : 2010-11-10
    Age : 73
    Location : Cumbria

    type ix c [u505 late] - Page 3 Empty Re: type ix c [u505 late]

    Post  david f Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:25 pm

    I think you may have to compromise on the waterline or the bag size to avoid the WTC getting overpressured.

    You could try to minimise the displacement (volume) of the superstructure.

    And/or you could fit a smaller bag or use the John W restricted bag method (a toilet roll.)

    David

      Current date/time is Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:20 am