The Association of Model Submariners.

Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

* THE FORUM FOR ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN BUILDING AND OPERATING MODEL SUBMARINES *



Join the AMS - Registered Forum users can become members of the AMS and it's free ...... To join send an email with your name , address and phone number to amstreasure@googlemail.com


For a guide to past events see the "Shows and Events" section.
Bournville MBC on Sunday 11th August 2024, 10.00 i
::::

Papplewick Pumping Station Sub Weekend, 14th & !5th Sept 2024

P~~~

$$$

Who is online?

In total there are 5 users online :: 0 Registered, 0 Hidden and 5 Guests

None


Most users ever online was 180 on Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:03 am

Latest topics

» Flight controllers as sub levelers
Antennas - Underwater EmptyWed Sep 18, 2024 2:08 pm by geofrancis

» Robbe Seawolf V2
Antennas - Underwater EmptyTue Sep 17, 2024 9:21 pm by geofrancis

» 868/915 Mhz as a viable frequency for submarines.
Antennas - Underwater EmptySun Sep 08, 2024 10:55 pm by geofrancis

» WW2 mini sub build
Antennas - Underwater EmptyThu Sep 05, 2024 8:15 am by david f

» Trumpeter 1/144 PLAN Type 092 Xia Class SSBN
Antennas - Underwater EmptyTue Aug 06, 2024 5:42 am by redboat219

» UHF radio control for submarines (openLRS, LoRa, FSK etc. on 458Mhz and 433Mhz )
Antennas - Underwater EmptySat Jul 27, 2024 9:05 am by david f

» David Forrest's R class
Antennas - Underwater EmptyFri Jul 19, 2024 1:00 pm by david f

» Futaba -868/915mhz equipment
Antennas - Underwater EmptySun Jun 09, 2024 10:47 pm by tsenecal

» Darnell type 21 submarine, need some help
Antennas - Underwater EmptySun Jun 09, 2024 9:35 am by Deep Diver (Fred)

Statistics

Our users have posted a total of 12494 messages in 1987 subjects

We have 1019 registered users

The newest registered user is Flyboy21

    Antennas - Underwater

    david f
    david f
    AMS Treasurer


    Posts : 2409
    Join date : 2010-11-10
    Age : 74
    Location : Cumbria

    Antennas - Underwater Empty Antennas - Underwater

    Post  david f Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:21 pm

    I have been having some wide-ranging discussions with Rob S from Holland about 27MHz but also underwater antennas. He has been very helpful and recommended this paper (Google this phrase and you can download the whole paper):

    Antenna Design for Underwater Applications by Oluyomi Aboderin

    It is a long and often technically complex paper but he recommends Chapter 2.5 for a good historical review and the section starting on page 111 gives details of antenna mounted on the outside of the hull or WTC.

    The diagram on Page 111 shows the general idea - a dipole mounted on the outside and insulated from water by a thin covering.

    You may wonder what the advantages may be? Well space saving is one. Also the antenna can be much shorter (i think he said 1/10 of the length in air.) This would have particular advantages for 27MHz.

    We need to do some practical experiments to see how these work out - not too difficult to build, I think.

    Rob recommends dipoles.

    David
    M7DYP
    david f
    david f
    AMS Treasurer


    Posts : 2409
    Join date : 2010-11-10
    Age : 74
    Location : Cumbria

    Antennas - Underwater Empty Re: Antennas - Underwater

    Post  david f Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:50 am

    A further discussion with Rob gives some clarification of the benefits from using antenna immersed in water. (i.e not just placed in air inside the WTC)

    He stressed that the main benefit is reduced antenna length and this is only important for the lower frequencies we use 75/40/27 MHz. For something like 433MHz the antenna would become tiny and impossible to tune.

    David

      Current date/time is Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:59 pm