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    The Dragonfish revisited.

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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  tattooed on Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:10 pm

    thanks rich that will be a great help

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:27 pm

    So far, they seem to be pretty good Geoff, there's not too much friction in them, and they seem not to load the servos too much. Like I say, if they don't work too well, it's a simple job to retrofit a set of bellows over them.

    I really should get round to doing a full immersion test, and see what happens after an hour or so underwater.

    Andy..how much O ring cord do you need, mate?

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:07 pm

    I hadn't really noticed just how close things were in the stern section until just now...looks as though some fiddley wire bending will be needed.



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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:57 am

    Initial immersion tests on the wtc commenced this morning at 0930hrs...I'm surprised just how bouyant the thing is! And don't panic, the battery packs are dead, I just keep them for this very purpose. Another ten minutes, and I'll submerge it fully.


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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:17 am

    Memo to oneself...must remember to clean the washing up bowl when I'm done...

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:32 am

    I reckon that'll do...fifteen minutes at half immersed, then fifteen minutes totally immersed. Not a drop of water inside, dry as a gorilla's armpit. I'm well pleased with that...onwards and upwards now.

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:15 pm

    Cut the slot in the radio tray to take the motor, a Como 385...very low drain and very high torque, should be ok with that big prop on.

    Just got to work out how to secure the motor to the tray, and that's another job done.


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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  acrowot (Geof) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:01 pm

    i had better get my skates and stop messing around on my motorcycle the speed your going mines going slow in comparison
    when you checked for leaks did you take the push rods out?
    one other question is are you going to hold the end caps on with anything or just relying on the friction of the oring to stop the end caps coming of.
    geof

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:09 pm

    Yea, c'mon mate..get stuck into it! We want to see it on the water!

    My watertight tests were done minus the push rods, I just stuck a length of plastic insulating tape over the holes, I wanted to start from the bottom up, so to speak, and make sure that the wtc is watertight before I start to add anything, that way I have dry base to start from and it should be easier to identify any leaks in the future.

    My end caps will just be secured by a good fit and a layer of vaseline, there's no pressure changes in the tube, so the old 'threaded rod and lock nuts' approach shouldn't be needed. I hope...

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:51 pm

    Nothing on the tv, so that equates to me to building time..just drilled out the end cap and fitted the prop shaft tube. It needs to positioned properly, but I need the propshaft for that, and that's in the post. Still, it's one more little job done.


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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:37 pm

    The motor mount problem is solved...took me all of ten minutes.
    Take an old toy boat motor mount, couple of minutes with a razor saw, and cut away most of it...drill two holes, and reinforce the underside of the tray with two styrene strips. Just needs a run over with the wet n' dry now.


    Job's a good'un...or it would be if I could find the two screws that I took out of the mount prior to cutting it up!





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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:43 pm

    Job done..I never did find the two screws I took out of the mount though.


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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  tattooed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:48 pm

    looking good mate think i'll have to raid the stores at work to get you some supplies

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:05 pm

    I'm ok at the moment mate, but I do need some alloy tube...it needs to fit over a 2.3mm shaft, to make up the coupling.
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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  tattooed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:41 pm

    how long does it need to be mate

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:18 pm

    Oh blimey mate, I only need a couple of inches, just to increase the shaft diameter so it fits inside the coupling.

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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:21 pm

    My problem is that the motor shaft only clears the tray by 1mm, so as I see it there's two options:

    1: Cut a slot in the the tray from the end cap up to the motor, reinforce it from underneath, and use a conventional coupling.

    2: Make up a rigid coupling from alloy tube.


    Having sat and worked it out on paper, I've decided that it's going to be the slot in the tray method. That will allow me to use a conventional coupling maybe those small Graupner ones. All in all, I think this will be the better way, albeit a bit fiddly to start with to cut the slot out accurately, but with concentration and my painkillers working, I think it can be done.

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:58 am

    I cut the slot in the tray this morning, and then discovered I'd made a major cock up..

    I'd cut the slot too long, right up to the motor, so when I put the motor back in the tray to try it, it fell right through...gosh and bother it, I said. (or words to that effect..)

    I've had to cut a tiny piece of styrene out and weld it back in the slot using plastic weld, so the front of the motor is supported again. Now it looks a right mess, so I've got some tidying and sanding to do...



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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  acrowot (Geof) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:56 pm

    richard it will look fine when you put all the stuff back in any way cant see it under water ha ha

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:38 pm

    I'm glad you said that, Geoff...saved me a lot of work sanding!

    Here's the first attempt at repairing my cock up, with most of the equipment reinstalled...it's only now that I notice that the coupling between the motor and the stub shaft is misaligned, the hole has been drilled off centre, which has thrown everything out of line, it looks like a donkey's hind leg...dammed annoying. I've never really liked these type of couplings anyway, so it's going in the bin, and due to be replaced by a proper Huco or a Graupner jointed coupling when pension day arrives. Mind you, it would help if I'd have put the motor in straight, that makes it look even worse...think I'll go back to bed and start today again!






    Then a kind soul on Facebook came up with this idea as part of a new tray, he's concerned that the repair might not be strong enough. This is a quick mock up using odds of carboard, but it gives you an idea of the design. It's very interesting, I'll have a go at making one up later, then I'll have one ready to go if my repair fails.



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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  profesorul on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:32 pm

    HI RICHRD,
    Don't wait until is going to break!.If you can,do it know those Motor Support.
    That small joint on thickness of the material is TOO week if You ask me.Look great already!.
    For me the most important part is HOW YOU DO the Rudder/Dive planes conection.

    I have serious problem with my Seawolf regarding these.

    MARIUS
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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  acrowot (Geof) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:46 pm

    richard would a solid coupling help with lining up the motor and stub shaft then the coupling on the outside this is what i am doing to my uboat or am i barking up the wrong tree

    geof

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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:50 pm

    I've already started on a whole tray, Marius...it will incorporate the new idea.

    here's how I did my linkages...hope this helps?







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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:53 pm

    I've tried a solid coupling Geoff, and for some reason it vibrated something terrible, whether I hadn't lined things up properly I don't know, but it was awful. I'll need a jointed coupling at the stern end anyway, so I may as well put them at both ends, that way I'll be sure that things are smooth running as possible.
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    Re: The Dragonfish revisited.

    Post  profesorul on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:22 pm

    CRAYNG loud!...

    I was badly inspired to stick the two halves of the aft cone!.





    How should I do if I have these(from the second picture).


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