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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:44 pm

    What do you guys think of using a BEC on your radio installations?

    I've used them before on surface boats and had the main battery drop down enough to cut the power to the radio...result, a stranded boat. In a sub that could mean a sub down on the bottom with not enough power to get up again, I guess.

    My new submersible will be a dynamic dive boat to start with, so the problem isn't quite that bad, but I do plan to fit a pump and bag later, that's when the problems could arise.

    So, what do you think...fit an extra battery pack for the rx? Or go with the BEC?
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    Post  david f on Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:05 pm

    I wouldn't go with a separate RX battery, Richard.

    I think that Norbert Bruggen put it well in his book. The chances are doubled that one of the batteries will fail.

    Best go with a BEC in my view.


    Actually I now go with a separate switch mode "BEC". Running on 12v I find that the normal BEC overheats and you go into shutdown every few seconds. Most disconcerting!
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    Post  Hermann on Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:52 pm

    Hello,

    I am also a supporter of a central power source design that delivers the power for all the systems on board and I have made good experience with it over the years.
    For receiver and servo supply and vor other low voltage/ power consumers I use some switchmode step-down converters of own design in my models to reduce the main battery voltage (12V or 14.4V) to an intermediate voltage of 6V with linear low-drop post regulators following for each supply path (one for receiver, one for servos ...). Of course the switchmode converters need a good EMI suppression but this is no problem you can't solve.

    Best regards
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    Post  david f on Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:24 pm

    Hi Hermann,

    Yes, I suppose I have had reasonable experiences with switch mode supply. But we have been having an interesting discussion on another Forum (Model Boat Mayhem - Sorry Richard!) with John who suggests that they cause RF interference.

    I realised from this that I have had a problem with this - solved by switching to dual band conversion receivers.

    So my confidence in recommending switch mode power supplies has taken a slight knock but I still think that the BEC principle is the best one.
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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:32 pm

    We shall soon find out, I've gone for an Mtroniks Viper esc with built BEC, and I'll use a Corona rx, I think...I have plenty of them.

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