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      Post  Tom(ADMIN) Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:26 pm

      My friendly and tame chemist lady gave me this saline bag just now, and I'm hoping to be able to use it as a water ballast bag in Project 575.

      The bag holds over 2000ml of liquid, and I'm thinking it's a bit too big, so the question is : can I cut it down and reglue it somehow? If so, with what do I glue it with?

      Or would it be safe to use if I just fold up the end and tape it over? It will positioned on a styrene tray above the radio gear in the watertight box, so I definitely do not need it to leak!

      Any ideas forthcoming, chaps?


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      Post  david f Tue Feb 22, 2011 12:53 pm

      I saw some clever use of layflat tubing up at the Edinburgh Model Boat Club. I think it was George. PM me Richard if you want to follow it up.
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      Post  Tom(ADMIN) Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:15 pm

      david forrest wrote:I saw some clever use of layflat tubing up at the Edinburgh Model Boat Club. I think it was George. PM me Richard if you want to follow it up.

      David, I think the problem is solved, thanks to to Nigel...I followed his instructions to the letter, and when I tested the bag in a cylinder in the bath it worked perfectly (yes, I was surprised too!)

      Many thanks for the offer, if it fails I'll be in touch post haste!
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      Post  wpitcairn Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 pm

      Any chance of the solution details as I'm looking to get my darnell u570 diving again. It's currently just setup for surface running and I have a couple of empty compartments?

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      Post  Tom(ADMIN) Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:25 am

      My name is now on all the old Owners posts, so it is easy to think I made the post. I did not. Maybe Nigel can jump in here and remember what he recommended to get the dive system working.
      There are many ways to get your sub to work. A bladder system is certainly one way.
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      Post  david f Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:36 am

      I have just spoken with Nigel on the phone and he said the conversation was some time ago but basically he recommended:

      - Rolling the bags up and putting them inside a plastic tube with perforated end caps.

      - He found that saline bags etc seem to be rather too large for use in models and so water "sloshes" around in them disturbing your trim.

      - Enclosing them restricts the movement of the bag, reduces the volume and helps to prevent the bag bursting if it gets pressurised.

      I have also been searching the old grey cells for my comments on lay flat tubing. I have looked at photos of Edinburgh but I didn't take any of these tubes.

      The sort of tubing is shown below. Available on ebay and can stand 4 Bars pressure.

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      Easy to cut to length and lies neatly inside a hull. I can't remember how to seal the ends but I would suggest plastic end caps inserted and glued in the tube?? Perhaps with a Jubilee clip around it?? (Other clips are available!)

      I need to qualify my statements by saying I have never used bladders (perhaps because of availability) I have only used PVC/ fibreglass pumped pressure tanks and (now) home made piston tanks.

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      Post  tsenecal Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:14 pm

      actually, for the two bladder based systems that i have, one is just a large (24" diameter) thick walled party balloon. the other one (norbert bruggen delta) uses sheet vinyl glued with thick rubberized CA.

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