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    A little piece from our Archives (Sept 1982) - The first Darnell review !?

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    Post  david f Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:55 am

    An interesting little snippet from our magazine archive. (£98 seems like a bargain but in 1982?) (Just a reminder that this archive is available to AMS members on a DVD for £6 - which includes a £1 donation to the RNLI. Order form on the website:

    Volume I, Number 1 September 1982


    Welcome to the first of what we hope will be a quarterly Newsletter to
    cater for the interests of model submariners. You will appreciate that to
    start a club with members all over the country whose common interests mean
    that they are all model boating eccentrics is not the easiest of tasks.

    However we have got to make a start somewhere and I hope that this Newsletter,
    and your response to it from the article in September's issue of 'Model Boats',
    will enable us all to get something going which will be of mutual interest
    and benefit.

    First of all let me say that I do not profess to be anything more than an
    enthusiastic amateur. Many of you will have far more experience than I have

    at model submarine making and sailing but having consulted editions of 'Model
    Boats' and 'Model Shipright' over the last 10 years I find that little information
    has been published to encourage our interest. This Newsletter therefore seeks

    to bring together some of the experiences that we have all had in our hobby.

    A monologue from me will soon bore you all, prove how little I know and run out
    of 'steam' before the first year is out. So now it is up to you. If you

    think there is a chance we can get something going on this basis then I need
    your ideas, your letters, your articles and photographs.

    I am enclosing with this Newsletter an application form for membership of
    the Association of Model Submariners. You will see that it asks for details
    of your particular interests and of models you have made or are proposing to
    make. I know that you will appreciate that the Newsletter cannot be published,
    packed and posted to you without cost. I am therefore asking for a subscription
    of £3.00 per annum. This will include four future editions of the Newsletter,
    published at quarterly intervals (the next edition is due in December 1982),
    together with a cover and ring binder to be included with the first mailing.
    ( Now you know why there are funny slots down the side of this Newsletter! ). I
    hope you will all feel that this cost is not unreasonable and will be prompt
    in returning your application forms, together with your comments and any
    articles that you feel may be of interest for future editions.

    As you all know the Model Engineering Exhibition will be coming up in
    January and if I find there is sufficient interest from you I will try to make
    some sort of arrangement for us to meet at that time -details, hopefully,
    in December's Newsletter.


    Kit Review

    Darnell Models, British T-class Submarine (1938-1946)

    This new kit from Darnell measures 5' 8" overall and produces a
    model of approximately 1:48 scale. The kit consists of a moulded G.R.P.
    hull and deck assembly. The 6V 4 amp/hr battery supplied fits into a

    G.R.P. watertight compartment, together with the main drive motor and a
    motor pump assembly based on the Unit Steam Engines' single cylinder
    engine. There is room within the watertight box for all the radio
    equipment and servos, but only just. This means that careful planning
    is needed to ensure that everything will fit in. A perspex cover plate
    is supplied which needs to be drilled to match the 22 fixing nuts moulded
    into the watertight box. This I found was no great problem providing

    you ensure that you are viewing from directly above when marking the holes.

    The deck and superstructure are marked with umpteen thousands of drilling
    points for the deck perforations and Darnell suggests that the tedious job
    of drilling these should be one of the first jobs to be done. Being
    enthusiastic,immediately I received the kit I started on the soul destroying
    job of drilling the holes and got them completed about about 4 hours'
    work only to find on checking with photographs ofT-class vessels that
    they do not have as many holes as this -so back to the drawing board.

    The only way I could get it right was to refill all the holes I had drilled
    with Isopon and start again (a doubly soul destroying job!). The conning
    tower and periscope masts ·I felt were not up to the standard of the rest

    of the kit and, whilst they are adequate to show the general line of this
    class of boat, I think the enthusiastic scale modeller would prefer to
    remake them, together with more accurate 4" and Oerlikon guns.

    Now to making it work. After all the whole point of being a submariner
    is tha t your boat submerges and actually comes back up again. John Darnell
    has achieved the buoyancy change problem in a very neat and sophisticated
    way. He supplies a large 'milk bottle' shaped G.R.P. airtight container
    which is plumbed to the U.S.E. steam engine (acting as an air pump) and
    then to a very strong bright orange buoyancy bag. The buoyancy principle
    is based on adding just the right lead ballast to hold the submarine at

    the correct surface level when the buoyanc y bag is inflated. To dive,

    the pump is switched to empty the buoyancy bag into the G.R .P. tank, so
    allowing water into the model to achieve negative buoyancy. When the pump
    is reversed it pumps the air from the tank to the bag, expelling the water
    and bringing the submarine back to the surface. This may sound a little
    complicated but in practice works perfectly. I had my T-class sitting at
    the bottom of a lake for periods of up to 15 minutes and then found no
    diffi culty in bringing it back to the surface.

    The drive system, as supplied, consists of an M.M. motor with a
    double pulley driving via two belts to the twin screws set in the long
    stern tubes. Modellers with engineering facilities may wish to replace
    this drive system with a proper reversing drive gearbox, as I have done,
    and may wish to shorten the stern tubes and build exposed A-frames to
    support the props as on the full-size submarine.

    So what do you get for your money? I would say that you get a fine
    working submarine model at an unbelieveably reasonabe price. Remember
    that the kit includes everything except the radio equipment, servos (3
    required) and the speed controllers. Made up exactly as Darnell's
    comprehensive instruction sheet the submarine will function most
    satisfactorily. Enthusiastic modellers may wish to make some of the
    changes that I have done. They may wish to add extra control surfaces


    by making the front and rear hydroplanes op..ration al; they may wish to
    change the drive motors to the more efficient Pile type where the planetary
    gearbo x ensures greater torque and efficiency. All in all a very good buy
    and a first class model.

    Available from: Darnell Models, xx, xxxxxx, Leavesden, Watford,
    Herts, Price: £98.00, including postage and packing.

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