Swimming Pools

May be some rules regs for newbies to follow regarding the AMS stance on health and saftey & insurance requierments when attending poolruns/dive-ins (no not a pop) If we had an idea about what is allowed and not then possibley this would cause less controversey. just a shortish list would probably suffice

Regards Mark

Hi Mark,
The pool runs/dive in's are not under the control of the AMS,you would need to address your questions to the organiser of those event's as he would be reponsable for ensuring that all the appropriate rules and reg's are met.
The AMS has expressed concern to the oraniser regarding one of these events previously (norwood),and indeed strongly advised our members to think carefully before attending.
That particular event was not advetised on this site because of those concerns.

I hope this isn't going to be deleted, as it sets out the position objectively.

In a nutshell, members of the AMS committee are unhappy about events where we share water with swimmers. This is not exclusive to the venue at South Norwood, it applies to the Autumn event at Brockwell too.

They consider that the risk of a model submarine colliding with a swimmer is a hazard and runs the risk of bringing the hobby into disrepute.

As a consequence, it was agreed that pool runs where we lack exclusive access to the pool are not promoted on this site or in their magazine. I presume that includes any photography or video taken at these events.

With regards to insurance, many have cover through affiliation with a club etc. Or you can take out an independent policy, Walker Midgeley seem highly prominent in this field, and informed me that the conditions we run under would be covered with their policy, although you may wish to get this in writing. I cannot speak for other policies, if you're concerned about this, please check.

I endeavour to inform people in advance when we share the pool, and thus allow people a choice of whether they wish to run at these venues or not. I prefer exclusive access where possible, but sometimes this just isn't possible. The alternative is a reduction in the number of events.

For my own part, I set-up the venue, pay for it, create a flyer and promote it and on the day deal with meeting and greeting, frequency management etc. In return I expect those attending to behave responsibly, and to follow the few instructions I give at the start of an event.

Andy

With regard to the video's and photo's, THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY from a public pool.

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Sorry Andy,I was responding to your question as to wether or not we would allow pictures video's from the
event we have objected to, I am saying no photo's or video's should exsist from that event, so the question should not arise.

I think we have all learned valuble lessons from the last dive in and as long as we all learn from it then lets just stop the backward a forwareding over well troden ground the videos in question have been deleted off the forum now let that be an end to this please.what I meant nigele is a possible list of minimum criteria that new model submariners should be looking for when they attend a dive in organised by the AMS or not, weather we are fully paid up members of the AMS or not because I am sure I will not be the only one in the future to make mistakes whatever them mistakes are and if it helps the hobby to run smothley in the eyes of all concerned it has got to be good for the hobby

Regards Mark

Good morning Mark
Again I must say that the AMS is not involved in organising dive in's,the organiser of those events has responded to you on this thread,if you would like him to expand on his reply I am sure he would be happy to do so.

The AMS does not work in the same way as dive in's do, We do not organise events we attend events that other organisation have aranged.

The way it works for us is very different,the organisers ask us if we would be prepared to attend,our events co-ordinator looks at the terms and condition supplied by the organiser and the decides if we are able to comply with them if he feels we can he will then put it to the members to see how much interest is shown in attending,he will then make a decishion as to whether we are able to attend.

I would advise you to take the same approach with any event you attend,decide what you want from an event,what you wish to do,and what the organiser's require from you,read the terms and conditions make sure that all the nesescary permisions are in place etc,although the organiser should make sure that the event complies with all the nesescary laws and regulations as he has a duty to ensure that the event is not placing people in peril,but given the nature of recent events I would advise you check this too.

Good Morning Nigel
You mentioned what I meant in your reply nigel what I suppose I mean is the bit at the bottom, you mention necessery laws and regulations, I was thinking maybe a few lines of the relevent regulations that we should be looking to adhere to so that if a new submariner looks on the forums at least their would be minimum guidlines that he could be looking at so that the same thing dosn`t happen again
understandably they would only be guidlines call me nieve but I went to my first dive in thinking (or not thinking)that you just put your boat in the water and that was it just like the boating pond at new brighton (how wrong could I be).If I had known that their was rules and regulations then I would have adhered to them. I understand that the rules and regulations of the AMS are maybe swayed to the commitees thinking but if members and none members read from the same page then maybe just maybe mistakes wouldnt be made again.I understand that mistakes were made by the organiser but because I didnt know any differant then I fell into the trap of just going along now though after reading your replies and richards replies
I know better

Regards Mark

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Hi Mark,
I hear what you are saying,and I will look into it and get back to you.

The one thing I would say to you off the cuff is that I would recomend that you obtain public liability insurance, it is not expensive and is a requirement at all the events that the AMS attends.

most people use Walker Midgley insurance,its around £20-00 for the year.

Andy,
Did you make the Manager aware that these boats have the ability to film underwater?

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there seem to be some confushion here probably me having a senior mowment,you spoke to the original manager about filming/video when you booked the event, so I take it he agreed to the filming/video taking place and gave consent.
But then you said that you asked the duty manager on the day,and he gave consent,I am a bit confussed now.

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Its a definate possibility,its been a long week.

Nigel PM sent

WOW,I take it the question was to hard.

I dont want to be the one to stir things up but why has Andy edited/deleted his posts on this thread ???

Regards Mark

it looks like all the photos from the dive-ins have been removed aswell

Oh don't you know? He does that sort of thing, you know.

"The dogs bark and the caravan moves on."

(And maybe the seagulls follow the trawler!)

was that something eric cantana said

ohhh aahhhh Cantana demi god the original mr kung fu ha ha

That was him!