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    Bronco Type XX111

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    Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:00 pm

    You'll see in the picture below that I'm going to have a problem here, in that the prop shaft isn't going to line up with the output shaft from the cylinder, not by a country mile it's not.

    So, what do you reckon, guys...double Huco coupling? Silicone tubing? I don't want to resort to pulley wheels and O rings unless I absolutely have to...any ideas?

    As a last resort I could raise the cylinder, but that would mean all sorts of troubles and making up saddles, etc...it fits absolutely perfectly where it is.

    (the cylinder can be moved sternwards quite a bit)



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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  profesorul on Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:45 pm

    HI RICHARD ,

    Maybe Can You use 2 Universal Joints :

    http://www.ebay.com/bhp/rc-universal-joint



    and not mentioned about Price 2.5 USD EACH

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:32 pm

    I think that may be the answer, Marius...just realised that I've been using the wrong cylinder, the correct one is 60mm od, not 80mm! The smaller one will fit a bit higher in the hull, which will help the problem.


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  profesorul on Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:47 pm

    You are right but I didn't mention that solution becouse of the price ......or is les expenceive?!.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:00 pm

    I already have the cylinder, practically finished, Marius...it's the one from the Dragonfish, it fits perfectly. I'm just waiting on the end caps arriving, I have them on order, shouldn't be much longer now.

    But first, I have to glue the hull together...then make the dreaded long cut in it.


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  david f on Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:34 am

    Very neat geared MFA motor installation, Richard.
    Has that got the shaft seal in as well?

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:45 am

    It's one of Nigel's cylinders, David...he made it for me for the Skipjack, it seems to fit the Type XX111 as well. Two for the price of one!!


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  david f on Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:40 am

    Very nice!

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:45 am

    Not so nice...when the hull sections are placed together, that cylinder is a touch too wide. That one is 80mm diameter, the largest that fits the Type XX111 is 60mm. Luckily, I had a 500mm length of 60mm tube doing nothing, so all is well...Mark at MMB is making me up a set of end caps for it, and today I'll be making up the tray to hold all the bits and pieces. Only trouble is, the usual water pumps don't fit the tube, so I have to fathom out a way to get the pump in.


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:48 am

    I think I may have solved that problem...fit the ballast pump in it's own little wtc up in the bow section. A short length of 70mm tube just about fits, and that's just big enough to fit a water pump into after removing the original mounting plate. With a bit of luck, this will work ok, when my medication kicks in later I'll do a test run.






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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  profesorul on Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:53 am

    Now all You have to do is power up the pump.
    Not to mentioned is a plenty room for another stuff in the same cylinder!.....maybe!.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:27 am

    It's all going to fit, Marius...trust me. (I hope....)

    The proper cylinder is 500mm long, a bit more than the one you see in the photos. In the front part will go:

    The front dive plane micro servo.
    The pump controller.
    The electronic fail safe which will blow the ballast tank if the signal is lost.

    Centre part holds the ballast tank.

    In the rear part will go:

    Two micro servos for the rear dive planes and the rudder.
    A 11.1v 2250a/h LiPo battery.
    The motor esc.
    The motor, a 385 high torque, low drain one.
    The auto leveller.
    The receiver.

    I did try a trial run of everything, and it does JUST about fit...
    The electronic LCD battery monitor.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:37 am

    If things don't work out as I want them to, the alternative is to use a 12v 2200a/h stick of AA sized NiMh batteries under the cylinder.


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:02 pm

    The X Craft has been hidden away out of my doctor's sight, the Skipjack is sitting on it's build stand until I've been into hospital, so I've made a start on the Type XX111.

    So far I've got the hull sections glued up as per David Merriman's recommendations...once the glue has set, the two halves get assembled, then it's onto the dreaded long cut. I'm not looking forward to that...




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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:43 pm

    The hull sections are ready to join together, but before I do...David Merriman, is there anything I should be doing before I attach the halves together?



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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  merriman on Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:13 pm

    Richard(Admin) wrote:The hull sections are ready to join together, but before I do...David Merriman, is there anything I should be doing before I attach the halves together?



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    Yes, Richard. Read this WIP thread and study the pictures and text, from page-10 till the end of the article. That should guide you along nicely.

    http://forum.sub-driver.com/showthread.php?2158-Bronco-Type-XXIII-in-1-35th-scale/page13&highlight=type-23


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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:08 pm

    Excellent...thanks David, much appreciated as usual.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Fri Dec 13, 2013 8:07 am

    The two hull sections have gone together very well, I applied a layer of plastic weld to the places indicated on the plans, and when that had dried hard, I went over the joint inside with a fillet of the same glue, applied with a finger. This morning, everything has dried off rock hard, and with hardly a gap anywhere, just a tiny amount of filler needed in one or two places, that's all. I'm well pleased with that...now to study David's instructions on the next steps before I even think of picking up the glue bottle again.



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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  merriman on Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:54 pm

    Just shave the inside of the port upper rudder support, adjacent to where the rudder bell-crank will go to give the later installed bell-crank room to swing. Do that and you are clear to glue the port and starboard sides of the hull together.

    Once you have the hull put together, cut away the top of the hull (follow the instructions). And once that's done you have access to work out all the linkages, propeller foundation, and other internal jobs.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:15 pm

    Ok, got that...I've been reading through that link you sent me and downloading pictures to a usb drive, that way I can use them for reference as and when I need them. It looks a bit tight up in the stern where those rudder linkages go...looks like a fun time ahead.

    (that's this bit, is it?)







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    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:03 pm

    Sorry...that should read ''the opposite side to this''.



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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  merriman on Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:02 pm

    Richard(Admin) wrote:Ok, got that...I've been reading through that link you sent me and downloading pictures to a usb drive, that way I can use them for reference as and when I need them. It looks a bit tight up in the stern where those rudder linkages go...looks like a fun time ahead.

    (that's this bit, is it?)







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    On the initial kit assembly I went with a removable portion of the port upper rudder support structure -- this to access the rudder bell-crank. During the second assembly of a kit (that one using the fittings kit parts formed to fit the first kit I assembled) I found the removable access portion, we see in this photograph, redundant -- the pushrod, with bell-crank tack-glued to it, could be fished into the upper support structure from within the hull as the rudder operating shaft was pushed up from below. Hence, no need of the access hatch.

    Yes, a 'fun' time ahead, Richard.

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:00 pm

    Ok David...I think I've got that. Fingers permitting, I'll have a look at that tomorrow. Thanks David...

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  Tom(ADMIN) on Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:32 am

    An alternative method of gaining access to the rudder post (especially when you've got fingers resembling a pound of sausages) is this:




    The hatch is then replaced (after all adjustments are completed) with a smear of silicone sealant, or two tiny self tapping screws could be used. The hatch shouldn't need removing once things are installed, but it's nice to know you can gain access should you need to...


    (this isn't a Bronco kit, it is in fact an OTW (On The Water) one)

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    Re: Bronco Type XX111

    Post  salmon on Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:31 am

    Richard,
    I have mine enclosed, but am contemplating cutting it open like you have shown here, but use magnets to hold it. If I go this route, I will let you know.
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